Universal Healthcare – Longer Lines, Higher Costs, Lower Quality

Here’s what happens to simple blood tests under the universal healthcare system in Canada.  You can wait two to three years–seriously–to get the blood test.  Or you can pay $900 (on top of the taxes you already paid for universal healthcare) to get the blood test at a private clinic today.  Ouch!  Meanwhile, it costs about $10 to take your dog to the vet to get the same blood test without a long wait time.  So yes, dogs are treated better than humans under the Canadian system.  That’s because dogs, unlike people, get the benefits of competition and private markets.  Anyone still excited about Obamacare?

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9 Responses to Universal Healthcare – Longer Lines, Higher Costs, Lower Quality

  1. Intellectual says:

    Canada is not Obama Care because with Obama Care we have private options competing with public ones. This lets us have the best of both worlds. So its entirely different and the comparison to Canada is not right.

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  2. badpoet81 says:

    Intellectual took the words right out of my mouth. In polls by and large people wanted many of the provisions that were part of the “Obama Care” bill such as a provision to make insurance companies take on people with pre-existing conditions, but they were dubious about the bill itself. This indicates a lack of trust in the political process in general and an ample supply of misinformation being generated. The bigger problem is that increasing the quality of life for every resident of the US is not in the best fiscal interests of private insurers, and payments to physicians from publicly funded health care are too low. The health care industry itself is unnecessarily expensive. Too few people are becoming general practitioners because of the lower pay, so more and more people are being sent to specialists and are receiving unnecessary tests and procedures because the pay model for doctors is such that they get payed for doing things “to” people rather than “for” people.

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  3. Trey says:

    US Healthcare costs are too high and outcomes could be better. Agreed. But why would putting government in control of these issues solve the problem? Free markets have time and time again shown their ability to reduce costs and deliver higher quality. So why is it that people trust the market to deliver cheap plasma screens, but when it comes to something ever more important like healthcare we all start to second guess free markets, to our own detriment?

    The reason healthcare costs are high and outcomes less than ideal is because of government, specifically the tax system that favors employer-provider coverage. This puts employers and their chosen insurance companies in the middle of most healthcare transactions. When patients aren’t choosing their insurance companies directly, they lose their ability to discipline the bad ones through their choices. Similarly, when patients aren’t paying for their medical procedures directly, even small ones (because of the ridiculously low deductibles employer insurance plans give), they have little incentive to discipline the healthcare providers to give cheaper and better service.

    In other words, the consumer choice model that drives the benefits we see in free markets has been taken out of the healthcare equation by government. The solution, therefore, is not to add another layer of government on top of this. Rather, the solution is to re-empower the healthcare consumer.

    It is very simple.

    Just fully privatize the delivery of healthcare and get rid of the employer-provided-health-insurance-favored tax system. Then provide healthcare vouchers (if we are feeling charitable), the size of which increases the poorer you are, with which to purchase health insurance. This addresses the problem of poor people not having access. But also leaves the market free to operate efficiently and compete for peoples $$s and vouchers.

    As to people with pre-existing conditions, the answer is charity. Insurance, by definition, protects against the *unknown* bad events. Once the bad event becomes known, however, such as upon being diagnosed with cancer, then we aren’t talking about insurance anymore. Now we are talking about straight up charity, paying for someone else’s known medical condition. We can set aside some money for this. But the solution is definitly NOT to mess up the health insurance market for everybody else, by trying to force what is charity into an insurance model (which is exactly what Obamacare does).

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  4. Gary says:

    Steven Crowder is clearly a man with the educational and research background, to say nothing of the gravatis, to be cited as an authority of health care systems. You will be likewise impressed by the biography from his own web page below:

    Biography for
    Steven Crowder
    Date of Birth
    7 July 1987, Grosse Pointe, Michigan, USA

    Birth Name
    Steven Blake Crowder

    Height
    6′ 2″ (1.88 m)

    Mini Biography

    Born in Detroit, raised in Montreal, Steven Crowder really had nothing going for him until he turned twelve. It was at that age that he was awarded the coveted role of voicing the character “The Brain” in the hit children’s TV series “Arthur”. The role immediately launched him into the realm of “Babe Magnet”. With this in mind, he continued down the path of acting (in both voice, TV and film) until he came to the realization that he was no longer the cute infant that Public Broadcasting had learned to love. Now that his baby-fat cheeks had left him, he knew that he needed a new “hook “to catch the ladies. Frantically, he searched for the answer until one summer, working as manual labor for the “Just for Laughs” Comedy Festival, the art of Stand up Comedy caught his eye. He approached a famous comedian and received advice on how to get started in the business, after which he was escorted from the premises, fined a hefty sum and brutally beaten. Once the feeding tube was removed, Steven sauntered on down to a local comedy club to try his hand at the trade. The throwing of vegetables and angry screams of the crowd created and incredible “rush”, upon which Steven became immediately addicted and he never looked back. One year later, (at 18 years old) Steven returned to the “Just for Laughs” as the youngest Comedian ever to grace the festivals stage (breaking the previous record set by Chris Rock at 19). His act was so well received that coordinators decided to feature him on XM Radio and booked him on tours across North America. Now, based out New York City, and fresh off of winning the Nationwide “So you Think You’re Funny” MySpace Comedy Contest, Steven Crowder continues to please both audiences and critics with his unique brand of Comedy and point of view.

    Truly one of the great minds in the field of medical services.

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    • Trey says:

      By this standard, Michael Moore wasn’t qualified to discuss politics, either. I’m always surprised by appeals to authority or challenges to authority in areas where common sense is enough. I can understand questioning the credentials of someone performing surgery, or something else that requires expertise. But politics, healthcare? This is common sense stuff. Care to address any of the substantive points?

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  5. Danneskjold says:

    “The America I know and love is not one in which my parents or my baby with Down Syndrome will have to stand in front of Obama’s ‘death panel’ so his bureaucrats can decide, based on a subjective judgment of their ‘level of productivity in society,’ whether they are worthy of health care. Such a system is downright evil.” —Sarah Palin

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  6. caulds989 says:

    The vouchers will effectively do the same thing as obama care in that they will necessarily depress the economy because taxes must be levied to pay for them. You cannot push for a free market solution and have vouchers as well. The point of insurance, originally, was the same as for car insurance; you only used it for the big stuff like totaling your car, or in the case of healthcare, one used it to pay for cancer treatment. The idea was that hopefully you would never have to. It is because we use our insurance to pay for every little checkup and sniffle that we have artificially raised demand for these services thus raising the price. Obama care, or any other nationalization, will simply create an unlimited demand curve, thus depleting our scarce resources. This is economics 101 folks.

    As for intellectual, what do you think tre was saying when he said you could go to a PRIVATE provider? They have public and private competing as well, just not for insurers. The point is that private anything is at a nearly insurmountable disadvantage when competing with public anything because public works are not bound by any sort of profit/loss bound. Many think this is a good thing because they are too short-sighted to understand that nothing is free; someone is always paying.

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